With the Big Ten regular season in the books, it's a good time to take a look at the latest projections, pending next week's conference title game results of course.
There could be an upset or two, but if there are none, here is who will likely be playing who, their estimated final BCS ranking, and in what bowl they will meet.
BCS National Championship Game No. 2 Auburn vs. No.1 Oregon
Rose Bowl
No. 5 Wisconsin vs. No. 3 TCU
Sugar Bowl
No. 6 Ohio State vs. No. 9 Arkansas
Orange Bowl
No. 13 Virginia Tech vs. No. 4 Stanford
Fiesta Bowl
UConn vs. No. 12 Nebraska
The Fiesta will get screwed hard by having last choice and thus getting stuck with an unranked Big East champ, while several much-more deserving teams will be left on the outside looking in.
A few of note on that list include Boise State, LSU, Michigan State, and Oklahoma.
Every year we are left wondering what will it take to facilitate the college presidents to admit it is time for a playoff at the FBS level.
And every year, there are injustices and oversights, and tons of question marks about who really deserved to be ranked No. 1 or No. 2.
A playoff would not be perfect either because if there are eight teams chosen, teams nine and 10 will complain, but hands down, it would be better than the BCS.
For now, it is the system we have and those are the teams that will likely meet in each of the bowls this post season.
The again, a few upsets could occur next week rendering everything you just read completely moot, so stay tuned!
It may not be the Buckeyes that reap the benefits of all these supposed (fraudulent) top 10 teams losing, but another Big 10 team, Wisconsin is potentially in line for a national title shot if a few more stars align just right.
That being said, if Wisconsin stumbles in their last three games, then maybe 2007 really does replay itself this season and finds the Buckeyes playing for the title unexpectedly. It COULD happen, however unlikely it may seem.
By the end of the season, some combination of Oregon, Boise State, Auburn and TCU should be No. 1 and No. 2 respectively based on SOS in combination with the human polls.
Assuming that holds true and after watching several teams drop in week 10, here is an updated list of the things that could and would have to happen that could ultimately allow Ohio State to play in the 2010-2011 BCS title game.
1. A loss by Auburn to either Georgia, Alabama, or the South Carolina/Florida winner in the SEC Championship game, or, a loss by TCU to San Diego State or New Mexico.
2. A loss by Oregon to either Cal, Arizona, or Oregon State.
3. A loss or even an ugly win or two by Boise State against Idaho, Fresno State, Nevada, or Utah State. However, the SOS factor itself may take BSU out of the picture even if they win them all big.
4. A loss by Nebraska to either Kansas, Texas A&M, Colorado, or in the Big 12 Championship game.
5. A loss by Wisconsin to either Indiana, Michigan, or Northwestern.
6. A loss by LSU to LA-Monroe, Mississippi, or Arkansas.
7. A loss by Stanford to either Arizona State, Cal, or Oregon State.
8. Lastly, three wins by the Buckeyes to finish the season over Penn State, Iowa, and Michigan.
Since a team doesn't have to be No. 1 to play in the BCS title game, not every scenario above HAS to happen, but most of them [probably at least six of the eight listed, with number eight being the most important] do.
The least likely of them to happen is TCU losing, but that's OK.
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Ohio State vs. TCU for the title would be a huge draw as Buckeye fans would all assume the title would be a lock, while the haters would tune in hoping to see the Buckeyes get embarrassed on the national stage to a non-AQ team.
It's a dream come true for the BCS and a win-win for everyone, so to all the teams ahead of Ohio State who are not TCU, do your part and lose over the next three to four weeks.
Terrelle Pryor has been hyped since he was in high school because of how much of an amazing athlete he was. There is still no question about it.
He's one of the best athletes in college football, but can he finally put it all together for his team this season and be an effective quarterback?
He did so against a very good Oregon Ducks defense in the Rose Bowl on New Year's Day. In that game, Pryor had his best performance in college, throwing 266 yards through the air and 76 yards on the ground. He had two passing touchdowns and a 62.2 completion percentage.
This showed that he had it in him to become a great quarterback, but he has to carry it into this season.
Had he played as he did on that day during the whole season, there's no doubt the Buckeyes would have been undefeated.
This season, Pryor is considered by some to be a Heisman front runner in large part because of his performance in Pasadena.
I feel that Pryor has a great supporting cast in the receiving corp, as well as depth at the running back position. The Buckeyes' offense will look better this season, and they're returning the lump sum of their defense.
The Buckeyes are ranked second in most every preseason poll. With a friendly schedule other than games vs. Miami-FL, Iowa, and Wisconsin, it would seem as though the Bucks have a better than decent shot at returning to the National Championship game for the third time in five years.
The Hurricanes have a very good squad this season, and they'll be pumped up to play the team that devastated them in the 2002 National Title game. It was a completely different team, but I'm sure the coaches will keep that in their minds.
I look for this to perhaps be the game of the week, and I also expect the Buckeyes to win. They will be focused on the goal ahead, and the rust should be shaken off by this game.
The Buckeyes have the advantage of playing a rebuilding Penn State team and a Michigan team that's still on the rocks. Without Michigan State on the schedule, the games at Wisconsin and at Iowa are the only ones I see as possible potential obstacles.
The key to running the table is Pryor. He's has to show maturity and be the leader.
It's going to take him developing into an effective passer, which will open holes in the running game. He doesn't have to become a pure or perfect passer. He just needs to more efficient and better in his decision making.
The biggest difference between Pryor and Troy Smith is not the size or style of play. It's the way Smith secured the ball. He never seemed to have ill-timed turnovers.
I didn't cringe when Smith chucked a ball down field, but I do every time Pryor goes to launch it. Smith could make that play with limited turnovers, but that is something Pryor hasn't figured out yet.
Smith had 13 interceptions in his career at Ohio State, Pryor has 14 after his second season (11 interceptions this past year).
Whoever wins the turnover battle usually wins the game, and Pryor needs to make sure he uses better judgment and throws the ball away instead of giving it away when there's nothing there.
It's not as simple as it seems, but if he can be effective, the Buckeyes will win the close games and perhaps make it to the National Championship.
There are a lot of great players in college football, but as of late, the Heisman has been given to the players that take their team far, and it will take a trip to the title game in order for Pryor to win.
This is Pryor's junior season, so if he doesn't win it this season, he still has a definite shot next season.
Some may think the Buckeyes are overrated, but they have the firepower this season to make a lot of noise across the college football landscape this fall.
One of the biggest questions facing Oho State as the 2010 season approaches is what happens to the team, and the season, should Terrelle Pryor get hurt?
Who, if anyone, could step in and take over for him, and would they be able to lead the team in his stead until his return, or would all hopes of another conference championship and possible BCS title run be lost?
Well, if you didn't watch the 2010 Scarlet and Gray game, and/or didn't see any highlights from the game, you may just have missed the answer to that very question.
Enter Kenny Guiton.
The redshirt freshmen from Houston was the last player to join the 2009 recruiting class, after Buckeye targets Tajh Boyd and Kevin Newsome instead signed to play at Clemson and Penn State respectively.
In front of more than 65,000 fans in The Horseshoe, Guiton lead the Gray team to a 17-10 win over the Scarlet team in the final seconds. He completed 11-of-21 passes for 167 yards and two scores, both to Taurian Washington.
In the Clemson Orange and White game this Spring, Boyd went 8-for-25, passing for 132 yards. He struggled to read the defense at times, repeatedly throwing into double and triple coverage.
In the Penn State Blue and White game, Newsome was 5-for-12 for 50 yards and was sacked three times. It was assumed that Newsome would take over for the departed Daryll Clark, but after his Spring game performance, the door is still open for Matt McGloin, Paul Jones and Robert Bolden.
Although it is still early in the careers of Guiton, Boyd, and Newsome, it seems to me Boyd and Newsome going elsewhere may have been a blessing in disguise for the Buckeyes.
I recently caught up with the Buckeye Spring game standout for this, the latest edition of my interview series, "Around the Block".
Q: Kenny, you played very well this Spring in the Scarlet and Gray game and Buckeye fans took notice that you appear very capable of stepping in if Terrelle should miss any time. So, ease our minds—How's the ankle/lower leg doing?
A: Thanks a lot, that is good to know. The leg is doing great. I'm not feeling any pain at all. We have great trainers which helped me out a lot and I am feeling great.
Q: What is your favorite kind of music, and who is your favorite artist(s) or band(s)?
A: Rap is my favorite genre and my favorite rapper is Lil Wayne.
Q: What is your favorite NFL team? Who is your favorite NFL player of all-time?
A: My favorite team is the Dallas Cowboys and favorite player is Vince Young.
Q: Being from Texas, what college team were you a fan of before coming to Ohio State?
A: I was always a UT fan (University of Texas). I grew up watching Vince Young and he was always my favorite player so I loved UT.
Q: Before Ohio State offered you your scholarship last year, were they even on your radar, and did you know you were on theirs?
A: No not at all, I didn't know much about Ohio State at all. I didn't have them on my radar and had no idea that I would end up on their radar.
Q: Did your family move up here with you or did they stay in Texas? Do they come to the games?
A: My family stayed in Texas. They come up whenever they get a chance to watch various games. They were in attendance for the spring game which brought me great joy.
Q: What is your Win/Loss record as a starting QB from your H.S. days?
A: This is a hard one, I believe in high school on the varsity level my record was 18-10.
Q: What are you majoring in?
A: I am undecided right now. Looking to go into some type of business such as finance or accounting.
Q: What are you personal goals for this coming season?
A: My personal goals are to keep competing for the second string spot and if something happens where I have to play, I want to be able to lead this team to big accomplishments.
Q: Are there any current or former NFL QB's that you have been compared to by other people, or that you feel like you compare with?
A: I have been compared to Dennis Dixon a lot. His build and the way he plays.
Q: Which game or games are you most looking forward to this season?
A: I am looking forward to Miami, traveling to Wisconsin and Iowa, and I always look forward to playing that team up north.
Q: Do you ever visit any of the numerous Ohio State message boards or blogs on the Internet to see what fans are saying or do you try to avoid them? If you do, which one(s)?
A: No I don't look at those things at all.
Q: Lastly, is there anything you'd like to say about the upcoming season in your own words directly to OSU fans and the readers of Block-O-Nation?
A: I would like to say I will keep working hard to be the best quarterback that I can be and I hope everything works out because I feel I can be the ultimate QB on and off the field.
I want to thank Kenny Guiton again for taking time out of his schedule to spend a few minutes allowing the fans of Buckeye Nation and the readers of Block-O-Nation to get to know a little more about him, on and off the field.
I'm sure I speak for us all when I say we look forward to seeing his collegiate career unfold in the coming years and wish him all the best!
By most accounts, the 2010 Ohio State Buckeyes will begin the season ranked in the top five of the national polls.
Some of the Spring, preseason hype placed upon the Bucks stems from how they performed in their 2010 Rose Bowl victory over then-No. 7 Oregon last January, but most of it is tied to quarterback Terrelle Pryor.
Fair or not to Pryor, the comparisons to Vince Young and former Buckeye and Heisman winner Troy Smith have been made.
In their third seasons, both Young and Smith made huge strides as quarterbacks and leaders for their teams—Young leading Texas to the 2005 BCS title, and Smith winning the Heisman while leading Ohio State to the 2007 BCS title game.
Without question, Pryor is the centerpiece and face of the Buckeyes, but he won't have to do it all by himself. The Buckeyes are loaded with talent on both offense and defense.
Wide receivers DeVier Posey and Dane Sanzenbacher bring back images of Ted Ginn and Anthony Gonzalez, while many other talented wide outs including Taurian Washington, Duron Carter, James Jackson, Chris Fields, James Louis, and Tyrone Williams will be fighting for playing time in the third and fourth spots. TE Jake Stoneburner should also figure into the mix as a TE/WR hybrid.
Anchored by Michael Brewster and Justin Boren, the O-line, which has consistently underperformed in recent years, should be one of the best in the nation.
That bodes well for both Pryor and for the running backs. J.B Shugarts, Mike Adams, Marcus Hall, Jack Mewhort, Sam Longo and Corey Linsley are a few other names you should familiarize yourself with.
The Buckeyes will field a deep and formidable stable of talented backs in 2010, led by senior Brandon Saine and junior Dan Herron. Sophomores Jamaal Berry, Jordan Hall, Jermil Martin, and freshmen Carlos Hyde and Roderick Smith will also all be looking to impress the coaching staff this Spring and once Fall camp begins.
Depending on how everything shakes out in the running backs competition, there may be a couple players who redshirt, and rumor has it, even a potential transfer, although hopefully those rumors are just that.
In years past, there have been big shoes to fill and many question marks as to who might be the next star running back, wide receiver, or linebacker.
In 2010, replacing Thad Gibson and Kurt Coleman on defense is key, but that may not be that difficult to do as in previous years—and not because Gibson or Coleman weren't great, but rather, Ohio State has stocked the cupboards with plenty of young and highly-rated potential replacements.
John Simon, Cameron Heyward, Nathan Williams, and Dexter Larimore are the likely starting foursome on the defensive front. Adam Bellamy, Garrett Goebel, Melvin Fellows, and Solomon Thomas will also see the field as the second unit.
The linebackers are solid as usual. Ross Homan, Brian Rolle and Etienne Sabino comprise the first team, and they are backed up by Andrew Sweat, Storm Klein, and Dorian Bell.
Cornerback Chimdi Chekwa decided to delay entry into the NFL draft and instead return for his final year. He will be joined by Devon Torrence in the defensive secondary, while Orhian Johnson and Jermale Hines will start at free safety and strong safety respectively.
In no particular order, others of note who will see time in the defensive backfield include Travis Howard, Jamie Wood, Corey Brown, Dominic Clarke, and Tyler Moeller (if healthy).
The time for falling short is over. No more excuses.
The pieces are undeniably in place, the goal has been established, and the GPS coordinates have been entered.
Now the coaches and players just need to put it all on the line and punch that ticket to Glendale—It's time to bring the crystal back to Columbus!
After what was an incredible finish to the 2009 season that saw Ohio State win the Rose Bowl, 2010 is shaping up to be the best team Jim Tressel has ever had at Ohio State.
But with all of those expectations, there is the "what if?" factor.
What if Ohio State has another "Purdue" game?
What if Terrelle Pryor goes down with an injury? (*knock on wood*)
What if the defensive line isn't as dominant as in 2009 and late 2008?
Regardless of the reasoning, everyone knows that teams, especially in the Big Ten, will be gunning for the Buckeyes and trying to end their stronghold grip on the conference.
There are obviously high expectations for Ohio State in 2010. Many "way too early" 2010 rankings have put the Buckeyes as high as No. 2, but none of that matters if expectations don't translate into reality once the season begins.
Here are five Saturdays that could potentially cost Ohio State a shot at the BCS National Championship Game in Glendale.
No. 5—November 27 at Home vs. Michigan
This one is the least likely of the five, and some fans may consider it a stretch, but remember, it has happened before. Anything can happen in a rivalry game.
That being said, over the last six years, this rivalry have been very one-sided. Ohio State has not lost to Michigan since John Navarre and Chris Perry were running the show for UM back in 2003.
But there's always cause for concern when the Wolverines come to town because of the rivalry that it is. It's always one of those games where the records need to be thrown out when these two teams meet.
Of course, that meant very little the last time Michigan played in Columbus...UM got "McGuffied!"
Still, it is the biggest game of the year, even with UM down right now. To give an example of how the Buckeyes focus on Michigan, their training facility has active countdown clocks set specifically to countdown to the Michigan game.
With the Big Ten adding a bye week as of this year, this will be the first time the teams meet after Thanksgiving ever.
Could changing that 100+ year tradition of THE GAME always being played on the third Saturday of November finally change the recent misfortunes of the Wolverines?
It could happen, but even most logical Michigan fans (that is definitely an oxymoron, and a very small group of people) do not expect a win in Columbus this coming season.
No. 4—September 11 at Home vs. Miami (FL)
These two teams last met in 2003 for the National Title, which the Buckeyes won in double-overtime after a controversial (only in Florida) pass interference flag by referee Terry Porter.
Deja Vu coming for Miami fans?
Seven years later, the Hurricanes come North looking for revenge, and QB Jacory Harris will get to face off against his good friend Terrelle Pryor.
Miami should have reason for motivation, especially coach Randy Shannon, who was the Defensive Coordinator when these teams last met.
The 'Canes will likely be a top 10 team when they meet Ohio State, but this Miami team lost in the Champs Sports Bowl to a Wisconsin team that the Buckeyes beat by 18 points earlier in the season.
This game will be the barometer as to where the Buckeyes and the Big Ten stand in 2010. So to will the Penn State vs. Alabama game that will be played the same day.
Wins by each would be an even greater boost to the steadily recovering perception of the Big Ten conference, and could potentially set up a huge top-five showdown between the Bucks and Nittany Lions once conference play begins.
Speaking of Penn State...
No. 3—November 13 at Home vs. Penn State
Two years ago, when Penn State came to Columbus undefeated, the Buckeyes had the Nittany Lions on the ropes until a fumble by then-true freshman Terrelle Pryor, led to the game's only touchdown, allowing PSU to escape with a 13-6 win—their first in Ohio Stadium since 1978.
Terrelle Pryor giveth...
Last season, despite the Terrelle Cryor t-shirt non-sense, and a "white-out" in Happy Valley, OSU left no doubt, beating up on the previously once-beaten (by Iowa) Nittany Lions, 24-7.
In recent years, this matchup has become quite the rivalry in the Big Ten, though OSU fans still recognize Michigan as their true No. 1 rival, not Penn State, much to the chagrin of jilted PSU fans.
But this years meeting brings some interesting storylines, with QB Kevin Newsome making his first trip to Columbus after the departure of Daryll Clark, and the final year of RB Evan Royster's outstanding career.
These games are some of the most physical in the country, so by no means will this one be pretty.
The Buckeyes certainly can't take this one for granted, but with the experience edge in their favor, another "per-usual" home win over the Nittany Lions should be the most likely outcome.
No. 2—October 16 at Camp Randall vs. Wisconsin
Camp Randall Stadium in Madison, Wisconsin is no doubt one of the toughest venues for a visiting opponent to play in, in all of college football.
And in mid-October, the Buckeyes will get a refresher course against a much-improved Wisconsin team, led by QB Scott Tolzien and 2009 Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year RB John Clay.
Clay is the best RB in the conference, although to be fair, I must also mention that Ohio State's defense held him to just 59 yards on 21 carries last season, as the Buckeyes defeated the then-unbeaten (5-0) Badgers, 31-13.
Wisconsin fans surely have fresh memories (and revenge on their minds) of Pryor's big drive and late touchdown scramble and dive to win the game the last time the Badgers hosted Ohio State in 2008.
And Terrelle Pryor, taketh away...
Winning in Madison can often prove to be difficult for any team, especially at night under the lights. This game will be physical, and both teams will bring their "A" games.
Ohio State and Wisconsin both could be, and probably will be, undefeated when they meet, meaning the team that wins will very likely solidify their position at or near the top of the conference, and near the top of the national rankings.
With Pryor entering his third season as a starter, and the OSU defense looking like it should once again be dominant, the Buckeyes have to be the favorite in this game as of right now.
But, much like with Penn State, they cannot afford to overlook the Badgers, especially on the road.
No. 1—November 20 at Kinnick Stadium vs. Iowa
There is no bigger threat to the Buckeyes reign in the Big Ten than the team they escaped against to win the conference title outright in 2009 than the Iowa Hawkeyes.
Kirk Ferentz's teams are almost impossible to beat at home in November, and that's exactly when these two teams will meet head on, possibly for a conference title, and a trip to the BCS title game.
This time around, Ohio State should be dealing with Ricky Stanzi, who is one of the best QB's in the conference, and maybe even the nation.
With Stanzi out with an ankle injury last season, OSU nearly saw backup James Vandenburg lead Iowa to a win in Columbus.
Could the 2010 meeting be even better? In a word, YES!
Iowa, much like Ohio State likes to run the ball, control the time of possession, and play great defense.
I'm thinking Ferentz recently decided to copy Tressel's formula for success—If you can't beat'em, join'em, right?
In all seriousness, this game on paper should be just as good as last years. Both teams have veteran QB's, solid RB's, a a stud defense.
Adrian Clayborn and Tyler Sash are back, along with most of Iowa's talented skill players.
There's no doubt that Iowa will be motivated and wanting revenge after losing the game, and the conference title, in Columbus by a field goal in OT.
This could be the college game of the year if both teams are undefeated (a distinct possibility) when they meet.
Just like in 2006 when Ohio State and Michigan were both unbeaten in the final game of the year, we could see another No. 1 vs. No. 2 between OSU and Iowa if Alabama, Boise State and a few others (Texas, Florida, TCU, Va Tech, etc.) lose before week 13.
Original article written by Tim Bielik—B/R OSU Featured Columnist & Block-O-Nation Contributor Edits, changes, and additions to the original article made by HD Handshoe—Founder—Block-O-Nation Photo Copyright of Jim Davidson--TheOzone.net
At 5-1, Ohio State still has their fair share of detractors that believe they shouldn't be ranked in the top 10, let alone be in line to play in another BCS bowl game, or Heaven forbid, the BCS title game.
"Who wants to watch the Buckeyes embarrass themselves again in another big game on the national stage," they say.
It's true that close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, but recent history clearly suggests that the Buckeyes are on the cusp of breaking through on the national stage.
Take for example the respective three point losses in the final minutes against USC this season, and to Texas in the 2008-2009 Fiesta bowl. Ohio State played stride for stride with then-No.3 USC, and then-No. 3 Texas and held late leads, only to lose to each on the final drives.
It appears that those who are not fans of Ohio State prefer to ignore those games and the fact that OSU nearly won them both.
Instead they prefer to live a bit further in the past and dwell on the 2006 and 2007 BCS title games that Ohio State lost to Florida and LSU, or the 2008 regular season loss at USC.
That's no real surprise though since the Texas and USC games from 2009 are more of an indicator of where the Buckeyes truly rate among other elites nationally.
Contrary to the popular belief of so many of these ill-informed Ohio State haters, and much to their dismay, the Buckeyes can still make a run at the 2009 BCS Championship.
Here's how.
First, and most importantly to the BCS powers that be, and the BCS conference presidents, the BCS bowls are about one thing—money. To make as much money as possible, the bowl games need to sell tickets.
Ohio State is the largest public university in the country and they have more Alumni, and fans nationwide than any other school.
That means, unless they lose at least three games, or lose in the last week or two of the season, they are going to get a BCS invite.
Look at the Orange bowl last season. Cincinnati and Boston College played in front of a crowd that resembled that of an NAIA football game. Like it or not, this is the system we have for now, and the Buckeye put bodies in seats.
Secondly, with the season being half over, the Buckeyes could lose another game and still receive a BCS bid, but will need to win out to secure a possible chance at the BCS title game.
The first BCS standings will be released on October 18. As of right now, Florida, Alabama, Texas, Virginia Tech, USC, and Boise State are the teams ranked ahead of Ohio State.
Even if Boise State wins out and ends up 12-0, their strength of schedule will be their downfall, and Ohio State among others can, and will jump ahead of them. The Broncos should be a BCS at-large bowl team, but they have zero chance at the BCS NC game.
USC beat Ohio State 18-15 in week two. That makes jumping them slightly more difficult, but not impossible. USC lost in week three to Washington so they are essentially only ranked ahead of OSU by a measly three point win.
Another loss, or a couple of unimpressive and/or close wins for USC would allow the Buckeyes to sneak ahead of the Trojans by season's end. I believe USC will lose one, if not two more games, so there's the open door for the Buckeyes to step on through.
Virginia Tech has upcoming games with Georgia Tech, North Carolina, NC State and possibly the ACC Championship game. At least one loss is not out of the question. I personally feel it could come this week at Georgia Tech. That would move the Buckeyes up to No. 4.
The Longhorns have not looked like a top three team and they haven't even played a decent team yet. Call me crazy, but I believe Texas will lose to Oklahoma and either Missouri or Oklahoma State. One loss might be enough for Ohio State to move ahead of Texas. Two will be enough for sure.
That leaves Alabama and Florida. It looks like Florida will likely go 12-0 and play in the SEC title game. Alabama has to play South Carolina and LSU so a loss is possible but I wouldn't bet big on it happening.
So, it looks as if these two teams are on a collision course for the SEC title game which means one of them will lose in the final week of the season. Which means, you guessed it, Ohio State slides up to No. 2 in the final BCS standings, and if you're not a Buckeye fan, your nightmare will have come true.
In the 2007 Ohio State-LSU BCS Championship game I mentioned earlier, LSU was ranked No. 7 going in to that final week of the season. Several upsets later, the Tigers found themselves jumping from No. 7 all the way up to No. 2. Ohio State is currently No. 7 with six games to go.
No, I'm not making any guarantees or promises here. I'm simply letting all college football fans that read this know how and why Ohio State is not out of the 2009 BCS title chase just yet...
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